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Maria Hertogh riots... cuman gara2 cewek bule mualaf kembali masuk Katolik, Muslim Singapura ribut

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Post by Rindu on Wed May 11, 2016 5:40 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Hertogh_riots

The Maria Hertogh riots began on 11 December 1950 in Singapore after a court decided that a child who had been raised by Muslims should be returned to her Catholic biological parents. A protest by outraged Muslims escalated into a riot when images were published showing 13-year-old Maria Hertogh (or Bertha Hertogh) kneeling before a statue of the Virgin Mary. Riots in Singapore lasted until noon on 13 December 1950. Eighteen people were killed and 173 injured. Many properties were also damaged.

Hertogh (also known as Natrah) had been in the care of Che Aminah binte Mohamed before being returned to her Dutch Catholic biological parents.

Maria Hertogh

Early life

Maria Hertogh was born on 24 March 1937 to a Dutch Catholic family living in Tjimahi, near Bandung, Java, then a part of the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia). Her father, Adrianus Petrus Hertogh, came to Java in the 1920s as a sergeant in the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army. In the early 1930s, He married Adeline Hunter, a Eurasian of Scottish-Javanese descent brought up in Java. Maria was baptised in the Roman Catholic Church of Saint Ignatius at Tjimahi on 10 April by a Catholic priest.
When World War II broke out, Adrianus Hertogh, as a sergeant in the Dutch Army, was captured by the Imperial Japanese Army and sent to a POW camp in Japan, where he was kept until 1945. Meanwhile, Adeline Hertogh stayed with her mother, Nor Louise, and her five children, among whom Maria was the third and youngest daughter. On 29 December 1942, Mrs. Hertogh gave birth to her sixth child, a boy. Three days later, Maria went to stay with Aminah binte Mohammad, a 42-year-old Malay woman from Kemaman, Terengganu, Malaya (now Malaysia) and a close friend of Nor Louise.

Adoption

Adeline Hertogh's version

According to Maria's biological mother, Adeline Hertogh, in testimony given in evidence before the court at the hearing in November 1950, she was persuaded by her mother after the birth of her sixth child to allow Maria to go and stay with Aminah in Bandung for three or four days. Consequently, Aminah arrived on 1 January 1943 to fetch Maria. When the child was not returned, Mrs. Hertogh borrowed a bicycle on 6 January and set out to retrieve her daughter. She claimed that she was arrested by a Japanese sentry on the outskirts of Bandung as she did not possess a pass and was therefore interned.
From her internment camp, she smuggled a letter to her mother, requesting for her children to be sent to her. This Nor Louise did, but Maria was not among them. So Mrs. Hertogh asked her mother to fetch Maria from Aminah. Her mother later wrote and told her that Aminah wanted to keep Maria for two more days, after which she herself would bring the child to the camp. This did not materialise and Mrs. Hertogh did not see Maria throughout her internment. After her release, she could find neither Maria nor Aminah.

Muslim

Upon arriving with Aminah, Maria was given the name Nadra binte Ma'arof. For unknown reasons her new family moved to Jakarta for a period before moving back to Bandung, where Aminah worked for the Japanese military police as an interpreter until the end of the war.
In 1947, fearing harm upon the family during the Indonesian National Revolution because Maria was a putih ("White Child"), Aminah moved back to her hometown of Kemaman, Terengganu, Malaya. By then Maria was the same as any other Malay Muslim girl of her age: she spoke only Malay, wore Malay clothes and practised her religion devoutly.

Custody battle

In 1945, with the end of World War II, Sergeant Hertogh was released and returned to Java, where he reunited with his wife. The couple said that they enquired about Maria but could find neither their daughter nor Aminah. They then returned to the Netherlands after requesting the Dutch authorities in Java and Singapore to try to trace the child. Investigations were then made by the Red Cross Society, the Indonesian Repatriation Service, the Royal Netherlands Army, and local police. Finally, in September 1949, Aminah and Maria were traced to the kampung in which they were living.
Negotiations were opened to retrieve Maria in early 1950. The Dutch Consulate offered S$500 to make up for Aminah's expenses in bringing up the girl for eight years. Aminah rejected the offer and refused to give up her foster-daughter. Nonetheless, she was persuaded to travel with Maria to Singapore in April to discuss the issue with the Dutch Consul-General. However, Aminah could not be persuaded and the Consulate applied to the High Court of Singapore on 22 April for Maria to be delivered into the custody of the Social Welfare Department, pending further order. The Chief Justice heard the request the same day and approved the application ex parte.
The next day, an officer from the department served the order on Aminah and took Maria away. After a routine medical examination at the Middle Road Hospital, she was admitted to the Girls Homecraft Centre at York Hill. From this point onwards, Maria had made it clear that she wanted to stay with Aminah and did not wish to be returned to her natural parents. However, after a 15-minute hearing on 17 May, the High Court ruled that the custody of Maria be granted to the Hertoghs.
As Aminah and Maria exited the court via the backdoor, a car from the Consulate was waiting to take Maria away. Maria refused to enter the car and clung on to Aminah, both shouting in Malay that they would kill themselves rather than be separated. A large crowd quickly formed around the commotion. It was only after much persuasion that Aminah agreed to enter the car together with Maria and pay a visit to her lawyer, who explained that Maria had to be given up until an appeal was made. The duo then parted in tears, with Maria returned to York Hill for temporary safekeeping.
Maria stayed at York Hill for two more months under a further order from the Chief Justice pending appeal, which was filed on 28 July. The verdict was an over-ruling of the earlier decision. Aside from the ex parte order to hand Maria to the Social Welfare Department, the Appellate Court found ambiguity in the Dutch Consul-General's representation of Maria's natural father, a rather minor and technical detail but apparently significant enough under the circumstance. Both Aminah and Maria were overjoyed.

Controversial marriage

On 1 August 1950 Maria was married in a Muslim ritual to 22-year-old Mansoor Adabi, a Malayan-born who was then a teacher-in-training at the Bukit Panjang Government School. The marriage could have been a manoeuvre by Aminah to prevent further attempts by the Hertoghs to get back their daughter, as Maria returned to live with Aminah after the wedding night and the new couple never consummated their marriage. Whether such speculation was true was unimportant in the subsequent development of events, in which Maria, a willing bride nonetheless, became the central figure.
The first challenges on the appropriateness of the marriage actually came from the Muslim community. On 10 August a Muslim leader wrote to The Straits Times, pointing out that although Islamic law permits the marriage of girls starting after puberty (which Maria had reached a year earlier), there were Muslim countries such as Egypt that legislated for a minimum marriage age of 16. He added, however, that it would not be in the interest of "the friendly understanding... between Christians and Muslims" to object to the marriage since it had already taken place. The latter view was held by the Muslim population at large, albeit in a more antagonistic mood against the Dutch and Europeans at large.

Second appeal

Meanwhile, the Hertoghs had not given up legal pursuit to retrieve their daughter. Only a day after the marriage, Aminah received the Hertoghs' representative lawyers from Kuala Lumpur. The lawyers deliver a letter demanding the return of Maria by 10 August, failing which legal action would be taken. Believing that the marriage settled the matter, Aminah and Mansoor both ignored the deadline. The Hertoghs did not. On 26 August, an originating summons was taken out, under the Guardianship of Infants Ordinance, by the Hertoghs as plaintiffs against Aminah, Maria and Mansoor, who were all made defendants.
The hearing did not begin till 20 November. For four months the matter hung in suspense. During this time, Maria rarely left her residence in the house of M.A. Majid, then president of the Muslim Welfare Association, because in her own words, she attracted "too much attention". Nevertheless, media coverage on the incident had grown to a global scale. Letters from Muslim organisations in Pakistan promising financial and other help arrived, some going so far as to declare any further move by the Dutch Government to separate the couple as "an open challenge to the Muslim world". Pledges of aid also came from Maria's native Indonesia and as far as Saudi Arabia.
The hearing finally opened, and Maria's natural mother, Adeline Hertogh travelled down to Singapore to attend. The judge, Justice Brown, delivered the verdict two weeks later. The marriage, instead of resolving the dispute, had instead complicated it. Justice Brown had two issues on his hand, namely the legality of the marriage and the custody of Maria. He held that the marriage was invalid because:

  1. Maria's country of domicile was, by law that of her natural father, i.e. the Netherlands. Under the Dutch laws, the minimum age of marriage for girls was 16. The English law applicable in Singapore recognised the marriage laws of the subject's country of domicile.
  2. An exception to the above point could not be established because neither Mansoor, born in Kelantan, could be proved to be domiciled in Singapore nor Maria be considered a Muslim by law[1]. During her minority, Maria's natural father, who was a Christian, had the legal right to control her religion. He had testified that he would never consent to her conversion to Islam.

Having over-ruled the purported marriage, Justice Brown went on to deal with what he described as the "most difficult" question of custody. He noted that his duty to the law required him "to have regard primarily to the welfare of the infant". He believed this meant that he not only had to consider the current wishes of Maria, but also her future well-being. He stated:
It is natural that she should now wish to remain in Malaya among people whom she knows. But who can say that she will have the same views some years hence after her outlooks has been enlarged, and her contacts extended, in the life of the family to which she belongs?"
He also noted that whatever the details of the contested initiation of the custody at the end of 1942 might be, Adrianus Hertogh had not been part of it and had not abrogated his parental rights. He therefore awarded the custody of Maria to the Hertoghs and ordered that she should be handed over to her mother with immediate effect.

Stay at the convent

When policewomen came to take Maria away, she wept and clung to Aminah and Mansoor. Aminah fainted on the spot and a doctor standing by had to attend to her. Mansoor advised Maria to concede for the time being and promised that he and others would carry on the legal fight. Thus Maria allowed herself to be brought away into a car. Outside, the police, including a Gurkha Contingent, held back a crowd of several hundred.
The car delivered Maria to the Roman Catholic Convent of the Good Shepherd, run by the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, at Thomson Road. Mrs. Hertogh stayed at another address for a few days, from where she visited Maria daily, before moving in to the convent herself. According to an official of the Netherlands Consulate-General, such arrangement was because of "greater convenience" while the stay of execution pending appeal was in effect. But it proved to be the falsest step, the spark that lit the fuse of the subsequent riots.
First and foremost, the press was not barred from entering the convent grounds. Nor were they restricted in any way in their approach to the incident, which had been nothing shy of sensational. On 5 December, the Singapore Standard published on its front page a photograph of Maria standing holding hands with the Reverend Mother. There were several more pictures on page 2, under the headline: Bertha knelt before Virgin Mary Statue. The Malay press retorted. The Utusan Melayu published on 7 December three photographs of Maria weeping and being comforted by a nun, as well as articles about Maria's "lonely and miserable" life in the convent.
These pictures, whether presenting Maria as happy or sad, mostly showed Maria surrounded by symbols of Christian faith. The Muslims, who looked upon Maria as one of their own, were deeply offended by such pictures, not to mention the sensational reports, some of which explicitly labelled the case as a religious issue between Islam and Christianity.
On 9 December, an organisation calling itself the Nadra Action Committee was formally constituted under the leadership of Karim Ghani, a Muslim political activist from Rangoon. This extreme organisation solicited support among local Muslims by distributing free copies of its newspaper, the Dawn (not the Dawn, an English paper published in Pakistan). Karim Ghani had also made an open speech at the Sultan Mosque on 8 December in which he mentioned jihad as a final resort.
In the light of these potent signs of a great disturbance, the Criminal Investigation Department sent a memo to the Colonial Secretary suggesting moving Maria back to York Hill to avoid further inciting Muslim anger. The Secretary did not agree on grounds that he had received no such representations from Muslim leaders, nor did he have the authority to remove Maria without further court orders – weak excuses since Maria could be relocated with her mother's consent. Nonetheless, it cannot be said definitively that moving Maria out of the convent at such a late stage could have averted the riots.

Crowds were enraged by the Court's rejection of the appeal.

The riots

The appeal hearing opened on 11 December. Maria stayed at the convent and did not attend. Since early morning, crowds carrying banners and flags with star and crescent symbols began to gather around the Supreme Court. By noon, when the hearing eventually began, the restive crowd had grown to 2,000 to 3,000 in number. The court threw out the appeal within five minutes. The brevity of the hearing convinced the gathering that the colonial legal system was biased against Muslims. The riots erupted.
The riots continued for three days and a curfew was imposed for two weeks. The mob (largely consisted of Muslims) moved out to attack any Europeans and even Eurasians in sight. They overturned cars and burnt them. The police force, its lower ranks largely consisted of Malays who sympathised with the rioters' cause, were ineffective in quelling the riots. By nightfall the riots had spread to even the more remote parts of the island. Help from the British military was enlisted only at around 6:45 PM. Major-General Dunlop promptly deployed two Internal Security Battalions while calling in further reinforcements from Malaya. Meanwhile, various Muslim leaders appealed over the radio for the riots to cease.
Reinforcements arrived early on 12 December, but riotous incidents continued on that day. The troops and police only managed to regain control of the situation by noon on 13 December. In total, 18 people were killed, among whom were seven Europeans or Eurasians, two police officers, and nine rioters shot by the police or military, 173 were injured, many of them seriously, 119 vehicles were damaged, and at least two buildings were set on fire. Subsequently, two weeks of 24-hour curfew were imposed, and it was a long time before complete law and order was re-established.

The trials

After the riot, the police set up a special investigation unit which detained 778 people, among them Karim Ghani[2]. Out of these, 403 were released unconditionally and 106 were released on various conditions (they generally had to report to the police station monthly and adhere to a curfew after dark). The police eventually brought rioting charges against 200 people, of whom 25 were acquitted, 100 were convicted, 62 were referred to the Enquiry Advisory Committee, and seven were brought to trial at the Assize Court for wanton killing and five of them were subsequently sentenced to death on the gallows.One of the five that was sentenced to the gallows was A.K.S. Othman Ghani, a respectable Indian businessman from Madras, the founder of the once famous Jubilee Cafe and Restaurant.
On 25 August 1951, Tunku Abdul Rahman, who would later become the first Prime Minister of Malaysia, took over as the president of UMNO, a Malay and therefore Muslim party, that remains the largest and ruling political party in Malaysia today. He immediately set out to save the five on death row. Having garnered support from the Muslim population, Abdul Rahman placed pressure on the authorities, who finally gave in. The British government was expecting their role as the colonial master to end very soon and did not wish to leave behind grim memories. The death sentences for all five were commuted to life imprisonment.

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Re: Maria Hertogh riots... cuman gara2 cewek bule mualaf kembali masuk Katolik, Muslim Singapura ribut

Post by isaku on Wed May 11, 2016 6:14 pm

nice info  WOW,

kristen memang kelewatan, orang g mau dipaksa2, kasihan


TS mungkin kurang paham jalan ceritanya, seharusnya judulnya "pengadilan sesat menyebabkan seorang Muslimah dipaksa murtad"



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Reviews[edit]
A Commission of Inquiry was appointed by Governor Franklin Gimson. It was headed by Sir Lionel Leach, a member of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. The Commission placed large blame on the police command for not having anticipated the violence from many indicators between 2 and 11 December. Furthermore, when the riots first started, the police failed to act promptly to disperse the crowd. The Gurkha Contingent standing by was not put into action, while too much dependence was placed on Malay policemen, many of whom defected or at least hesitated to carry out their duties. The British House of Commons criticised the colonial government for its poor handling of the situation.

Present day Government of Singapore also attributed the tragedy to the insensitivity of the colonial government towards the racial and religious feelings of the locals. It cites the incident as a vital lesson learnt in the importance of racial and religious understanding and harmony. It also cites the incident as a case for placing a certain degree of governmental control on the media, especially when racial or religious issues are implicated.

Epilogue[edit]
On the night the riots broke out, Maria Hertogh was moved out of the convent, where the rioters tried twice to march on and were only kept back by the police. Plans were made at York Hill to receive her but she was instead sent to Saint John's Island, an offshore island 4 miles south of the main island of Singapore. The next day, Maria and Adeline Hertogh departed for the Netherlands by aeroplane. After landing in Schiphol Airport, they quickly proceeded to the Hertogh home on the outskirts of Bergen op Zoom.

At first, Maria could only talk to her mother, the only one in the family who understood Malay. She demanded rice with every meal, resenting the western diet. She continued to say her Muslim prayers five times a day. In addition, a policeman in plain clothes was assigned to escort her whenever she left the house, for fear of possible kidnappers who might take her back to Singapore, following reported sighting of "oriental strangers" around town. The house was also placed under surveillance.

Slowly, Maria began to adjust to her new environment. A nun came to the house daily to teach her Dutch until she was proficient enough to attend a local convent school. She also began to attend Mass with her family. Back in Singapore, Aminah and Mansoor had apparently given up hope of retrieving Maria after leave to appeal to the Privy Council was not granted. Earlier interest of the several Muslim groups involved had also gradually died down.

On 20 April 1956, Maria married Johan Gerardus Wolkefeld,[3] a 21-year-old Dutch Catholic. On 15 February 1957, she gave birth to a son, the first of ten children. However, Maria did not seem to be contented. As she told De Telegraaf, she often had rows with her mother, who lived nearby. She also said she still longed for her Malayan homeland. Johan and Mansoor began corresponding. In letters both expressed wish for Maria to travel to Malaya to visit the aged Aminah, but such trip was never made due primarily to financial difficulties. Aminah died in 1976 and Mansoor would die of a heart attack in 1988.

The life story of Maria took another dramatic turn on August 16, 1976, when Maria found herself on trial in a Dutch court charged with plotting to murder her husband. She admitted in court that she had been thinking about leaving her husband but was afraid to start divorce proceedings in case she lost custody of her children. She came into contact with two regular customers at her husband's café bar. The trio bought a revolver and recruited a fourth accomplice to carry out the actual murder. However, the last member got cold feet and gossiped about the murder plan. The police quickly learnt of it and arrested all four conspirators.

In her defence, Maria's lawyers brought up her background, which the court acknowledged. With this in mind, and because the plot was never executed and there was no proof that she offered any inducement to the other three, the three-man bench acquitted Maria. Meanwhile, Maria had also filed for divorce on the grounds of the irreparable breakdown of her marriage.

Death[edit]
On 8 July 2009, Maria Hertogh died at her house in Huijbergen from leukaemia at the age of 72.[4] In a twist of fate, she died from the same cancer that killed her adoptive elder sister, Kamariah Mohd Dahan, of Japanese descent, whom she visited in 1998 in Kemaman. The highly emotional visit was the first time they had met after being separated for 48 years. But it would be the only time they would see each other before Kamariah died.

In 2014, Singaporean channel Channel NewsAsia, in cooperation with Monsoon Pictures, broadcast a five-part documentary about the tumultuous era of the 1950s and 1960s in Singapore called Days of Rage and it featured the Maria Hertogh riots, including exclusive interviews with Hertogh herself and Kamariah prior to their deaths.[1][2] Hertogh's son and two daughters were interviewed and spoke about witnessing their mother's frosty relationship with their grandmother Adeline and her struggle to come to terms with her painful childhood. Hertogh's son testified that Hertogh was not happy and felt betrayed. The siblings also paid a visit to Kemaman and met several elderly kampung residents who remembered the young Hertogh, then known to them as Nadra.

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Post by Rindu on Wed May 11, 2016 7:32 pm

dr pihak Muslim, si Maria Hertogh dipaksa2 nikah DLM USIA BELIA biar tetap berada di pangkuan Aminah

@Rindu wrote:

Controversial marriage



On 1 August 1950 Maria was married in a Muslim ritual to 22-year-old Mansoor Adabi, a Malayan-born who was then a teacher-in-training at the Bukit Panjang Government School. The marriage could have been a manoeuvre by Aminah to prevent further attempts by the Hertoghs to get back their daughter, as Maria returned to live with Aminah after the wedding night and the new couple never consummated their marriage. Whether such speculation was true was unimportant in the subsequent development of events, in which Maria, a willing bride nonetheless, became the central figure.
The first challenges on the appropriateness of the marriage actually came from the Muslim community. On 10 August a Muslim leader wrote to The Straits Times, pointing out that although Islamic law permits the marriage of girls starting after puberty (which Maria had reached a year earlier), there were Muslim countries such as Egypt that legislated for a minimum marriage age of 16. He added, however, that it would not be in the interest of "the friendly understanding... between Christians and Muslims" to object to the marriage since it had already taken place. The latter view was held by the Muslim population at large, albeit in a more antagonistic mood against the Dutch and Europeans at large.

& jgn lupa jg bagaimana ke-tidak dewasa-an Muslim Singapura dlm menerima Maria murtad 2 good

The riots



The appeal hearing opened on 11 December. Maria stayed at the convent and did not attend. Since early morning, crowds carrying banners and flags with star and crescent symbols began to gather around the Supreme Court. By noon, when the hearing eventually began, the restive crowd had grown to 2,000 to 3,000 in number. The court threw out the appeal within five minutes. The brevity of the hearing convinced the gathering that the colonial legal system was biased against Muslims. The riots erupted.
The riots continued for three days and a curfew was imposed for two weeks. The mob (largely consisted of Muslims) moved out to attack any Europeans and even Eurasians in sight. They overturned cars and burnt them. The police force, its lower ranks largely consisted of Malays who sympathised with the rioters' cause, were ineffective in quelling the riots. By nightfall the riots had spread to even the more remote parts of the island. Help from the British military was enlisted only at around 6:45 PM. Major-General Dunlop promptly deployed two Internal Security Battalions while calling in further reinforcements from Malaya. Meanwhile, various Muslim leaders appealed over the radio for the riots to cease.
Reinforcements arrived early on 12 December, but riotous incidents continued on that day. The troops and police only managed to regain control of the situation by noon on 13 December. In total, 18 people were killed, among whom were seven Europeans or Eurasians, two police officers, and nine rioters shot by the police or military, 173 were injured, many of them seriously, 119 vehicles were damaged, and at least two buildings were set on fire. Subsequently, two weeks of 24-hour curfew were imposed, and it was a long time before complete law and order was re-established.

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Post by isaku on Thu May 12, 2016 9:17 am

@Rindu wrote:dr pihak Muslim, si Maria Hertogh dipaksa2 nikah DLM USIA BELIA biar tetap berada di pangkuan Aminah

@Rindu wrote:

Controversial marriage




On 1 August 1950 Maria was married in a Muslim ritual to 22-year-old Mansoor Adabi, a Malayan-born who was then a teacher-in-training at the Bukit Panjang Government School. The marriage could have been a manoeuvre by Aminah to prevent further attempts by the Hertoghs to get back their daughter, as Maria returned to live with Aminah after the wedding night and the new couple never consummated their marriage. Whether such speculation was true was unimportant
Itu tidak penting, dan TIDAK ADA PEMAKSAAN. mana coba pemaksaan.

@rindu wrote:& jgn lupa jg bagaimana ke-tidak dewasa-an Muslim Singapura dlm menerima Maria murtad
Itu bukan ketidakdewasaan, tapi membela kebenaran, dan Maria tidak murtad, tapi dipaksa murtad

Cerita ini adalah AIB bagi kolonial Inggris dan Eropa umumnya, bukan bagi muslim, hanya orang2 tak bernurani yang tidak berpihak kepada Maria dalam kasus ini.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/i-always-cry-when-i-think-of-her

MARIA HERTOGH'S NIECE Rokayah Yusof, 68, still gets emotional when she recalls how her "Auntie Nadra's" life was turned upside down when she was separated from her family in Malaya and returned to The Netherlands.

Madam Yusof said her conversation with Maria revealed that Maria was unhappy for most of her life in Holland.

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Post by Rindu on Sat May 14, 2016 11:43 pm

@isaku wrote:
Itu tidak penting.

jadi menurut Anda gadis belia dinikahi dgn pria berusia 22 tahun tidak penting ?

Itu bukan ketidakdewasaan, tapi membela kebenaran, dan Maria tidak murtad, tapi dipaksa murtad

lha
artis2 Indonesia pd mualaf, non-Muslim bersikap anteng2 aja, giliran Asmirandah murtad, FPI sampe nyamper2in kantor polisi basi

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/i-always-cry-when-i-think-of-her

MARIA HERTOGH'S NIECE Rokayah Yusof, 68, still gets emotional when she recalls how her "Auntie Nadra's" life was turned upside down when she was separated from her family in Malaya and returned to The Netherlands.

Madam Yusof said her conversation with Maria revealed that Maria was unhappy for most of her life in Holland.

tuh kan
dr namanya aja udah keliatan, yg ngomong kek gitu dr pihak Muslim Melayu-nya basi
palingan doi ngomong kek gitu cuman krn gak terima atas kepergian Maria, sama dgn yg Muslim2 yg ribut di Singapura tempo hari

lagipula kl yg menang dr pihak Aminah, apakah itu berarti Maria akan bahagia ? dlm keadaan dinikahi dlm usia belia ?

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Post by isaku on Mon May 16, 2016 3:18 pm

@Rindu wrote:
@isaku wrote:
Itu tidak penting.

jadi menurut Anda gadis belia dinikahi dgn pria berusia 22 tahun tidak penting ?
iya g pentinglah, nikahnya aja g dipaksa ngapain diributin, yang diributin itu anak orang dipaksa pindah agama, dipaksa berpisah dari orang2 yang dia cintai

@rindu wrote:
Itu bukan ketidakdewasaan, tapi membela kebenaran, dan Maria tidak murtad, tapi dipaksa murtad

lha
artis2 Indonesia pd mualaf, non-Muslim bersikap anteng2 aja, giliran Asmirandah murtad, FPI sampe nyamper2in kantor polisi basi
G nyambung, emang menurutmu Maria pantas dipaksa2/diperkosa???

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http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/i-always-cry-when-i-think-of-her

MARIA HERTOGH'S NIECE Rokayah Yusof, 68, still gets emotional when she recalls how her "Auntie Nadra's" life was turned upside down when she was separated from her family in Malaya and returned to The Netherlands.

Madam Yusof said her conversation with Maria revealed that Maria was unhappy for most of her life in Holland.

tuh kan
dr namanya aja udah keliatan, yg ngomong kek gitu dr pihak Muslim Melayu-nya basi
palingan doi ngomong kek gitu cuman krn gak terima atas kepergian Maria, sama dgn yg Muslim2 yg ribut di Singapura tempo hari

lagipula kl yg menang dr pihak Aminah, apakah itu berarti Maria akan bahagia ? dlm keadaan dinikahi dlm usia belia ?
Ya bahagia lah, terhindar dari orang2 g jelas yang main paksa sampai tarik2an, histeris ketika berpisah.

Baca lagi diatas, anaknya aja bilang Mamahnya g bahagia ehmm

In 2014, Singaporean channel Channel NewsAsia, in cooperation with Monsoon Pictures, broadcast a five-part documentary about the tumultuous era of the 1950s and 1960s in Singapore called Days of Rage and it featured the Maria Hertogh riots, including exclusive interviews with Hertogh herself and Kamariah prior to their deaths.[1][2] Hertogh's son and two daughters were interviewed and spoke about witnessing their mother's frosty relationship with their grandmother Adeline and her struggle to come to terms with her painful childhood. Hertogh's son testified that Hertogh was not happy and felt betrayed. The siblings also paid a visit to Kemaman and met several elderly kampung residents who remembered the young Hertogh, then known to them as Nadra.



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Re: Maria Hertogh riots... cuman gara2 cewek bule mualaf kembali masuk Katolik, Muslim Singapura ribut

Post by Rindu on Mon May 16, 2016 7:11 pm

@isaku wrote:
@Rindu wrote:
@isaku wrote:
Itu tidak penting.

jadi menurut Anda gadis belia dinikahi dgn pria berusia 22 tahun tidak penting ?
iya g pentinglah

lha terus kenapa harus ama Mansoor Adabi ? kenapa gak cowo laen ?

@rindu wrote:
Itu bukan ketidakdewasaan, tapi membela kebenaran, dan Maria tidak murtad, tapi dipaksa murtad

lha
artis2 Indonesia pd mualaf, non-Muslim bersikap anteng2 aja, giliran Asmirandah murtad, FPI sampe nyamper2in kantor polisi basi
G nyambung, emang menurutmu Maria pantas dipaksa2/diperkosa???

kamu itu yg nggak nyambung, ane ngomonginnya soal Muslim Singapura yg ampe ngebunuh 18 org, ente malah nuduh Maria yg gak2

@rindu wrote:
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/i-always-cry-when-i-think-of-her

MARIA HERTOGH'S NIECE Rokayah Yusof, 68, still gets emotional when she recalls how her "Auntie Nadra's" life was turned upside down when she was separated from her family in Malaya and returned to The Netherlands.

Madam Yusof said her conversation with Maria revealed that Maria was unhappy for most of her life in Holland.

tuh kan
dr namanya aja udah keliatan, yg ngomong kek gitu dr pihak Muslim Melayu-nya basi
palingan doi ngomong kek gitu cuman krn gak terima atas kepergian Maria, sama dgn yg Muslim2 yg ribut di Singapura tempo hari

lagipula kl yg menang dr pihak Aminah, apakah itu berarti Maria akan bahagia ? dlm keadaan dinikahi dlm usia belia ?
Ya bahagia lah, terhindar dari orang2 g jelas yang main paksa sampai tarik2an, histeris ketika berpisah.

Baca lagi diatas, anaknya aja bilang Mamahnya g bahagia  ehmm

In 2014, Singaporean channel Channel NewsAsia, in cooperation with Monsoon Pictures, broadcast a five-part documentary about the tumultuous era of the 1950s and 1960s in Singapore called Days of Rage and it featured the Maria Hertogh riots, including exclusive interviews with Hertogh herself and Kamariah prior to their deaths.[1][2] Hertogh's son and two daughters were interviewed and spoke about witnessing their mother's frosty relationship with their grandmother Adeline and her struggle to come to terms with her painful childhood. Hertogh's son testified that Hertogh was not happy and felt betrayed. The siblings also paid a visit to Kemaman and met several elderly kampung residents who remembered the young Hertogh, then known to them as Nadra.

yg namanya anak masih punya orangtua kandung ya pasti dirawat ama orangtua kandungnya, atw isaku dulunya gak dirawat ama orangtua kandung piss

kalimat dr Wikipedia itu nggak ada rujukannya, sama aja kek pernyataan yg dianggap berasal dr Jomo Kenyatta yg ente sodorin tempo hari

lagian jg kl bener gak bahagia, rasanya aneh, masak tinggal di negara Eropa yg lebih maju ketimbang Indo & Malay gak mau

para pengungsi Timteng aja ngarahkan ke negara2 Barat

THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They’re not happy in Gaza.
They’re not happy in Egypt.
They’re not happy in Libya.
They’re not happy in Morocco.
They’re not happy in Iran.
They’re not happy in Iraq.
They’re not happy in Yemen.
They’re not happy in Afghanistan.
They’re not happy in Pakistan.
They’re not happy in Syria.
They’re not happy in Lebanon.

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They’re happy in Australia.
They’re happy in Canada.
They’re happy in England.
They’re happy in France.
They’re happy in Italy.
They’re happy in Germany.
They’re happy in Sweden.
They’re happy in the USA.
They’re happy in Norway.
They’re happy in Holland.
They’re happy in Denmark.

Basically, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim…and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN! And then—wait for it!—they want to change those countries to be like….THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

Excuse me, but I can’t help wondering….

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Re: Maria Hertogh riots... cuman gara2 cewek bule mualaf kembali masuk Katolik, Muslim Singapura ribut

Post by isaku on Tue May 17, 2016 8:57 am

@Rindu wrote:
@isaku wrote:
@Rindu wrote:
@isaku wrote:
Itu tidak penting.

jadi menurut Anda gadis belia dinikahi dgn pria berusia 22 tahun tidak penting ?
iya g pentinglah

lha terus kenapa harus ama Mansoor Adabi ? kenapa gak cowo laen ?
Pertanyaan begini harus saya tanggapi?  pusing
Emang harus nanya dulu ke kamu Maria mau nikahin siapa. Hadeeh

@rindu wrote:
@rindu wrote:
Itu bukan ketidakdewasaan, tapi membela kebenaran, dan Maria tidak murtad, tapi dipaksa murtad

lha
artis2 Indonesia pd mualaf, non-Muslim bersikap anteng2 aja, giliran Asmirandah murtad, FPI sampe nyamper2in kantor polisi basi
G nyambung, emang menurutmu Maria pantas dipaksa2/diperkosa???

kamu itu yg nggak nyambung, ane ngomonginnya soal Muslim Singapura yg ampe ngebunuh 18 org, ente malah nuduh Maria yg gak2
Ngebunuh 18 orang nenekmu!

Tuh baca:

In total, 18 people were killed, among whom were seven Europeans or Eurasians, two police officers, and nine rioters shot by the police or military,

7 orang mati Eropa penjajah
2 orang mati polisi kaki tangan penjajah
9 orang dibunuh oleh polisi, korban pribumi.

Memaksa Maria murtad, memisahkan Maria dari keluarga melayunya adalah penghinaan terhadap harga diri pribumi melayu sekaligus harga diri mereka sebagai muslim. Itu tindakan yang pantas dibela, toh yang mereka lawan juga kolonial kok.

Jadi maumu kalau orang2 dianiaya harus mandah aja... harus dibacain ayat2 perbudakan???



Keluaran 21:20-21
21:20 Apabila seseorang memukul budaknya laki-laki atau perempuan dengan tongkat, sehingga mati karena pukulan itu, pastilah budak itu dibalaskan.
21:21 Hanya jika budak itu masih hidup sehari dua, maka janganlah dituntut belanya, sebab budak itu adalah miliknya sendiri.

Luke 12:46 maka tuan hamba itu akan datang pada hari yang tidak disangkakannya, dan pada saat yang tidak diketahuinya, dan akan membunuh dia dan membuat dia senasib dengan orang-orang yang tidak setia.
12:47 Adapun hamba yang tahu akan kehendak tuannya, tetapi yang tidak mengadakan persiapan atau tidak melakukan apa yang dikehendaki tuannya, ia akan menerima banyak pukulan.

1- Timotius 6:1 Semua orang yang menanggung beban perbudakan hendaknya menganggap tuan mereka layak mendapat segala penghormatan, agar nama Allah dan ajaran kita jangan dihujat orang.
6:2 Jika tuan mereka seorang percaya, janganlah ia kurang disegani karena bersaudara dalam Kristus, melainkan hendaklah ia dilayani mereka dengan lebih baik lagi, karena tuan yang menerima berkat pelayanan mereka ialah saudara yang percaya dan yang kekasih.
6-2b Ajarkanlah dan nasihatkanlah semuanya ini.


@rindu wrote:
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/i-always-cry-when-i-think-of-her

MARIA HERTOGH'S NIECE Rokayah Yusof, 68, still gets emotional when she recalls how her "Auntie Nadra's" life was turned upside down when she was separated from her family in Malaya and returned to The Netherlands.

Madam Yusof said her conversation with Maria revealed that Maria was unhappy for most of her life in Holland.

tuh kan
dr namanya aja udah keliatan, yg ngomong kek gitu dr pihak Muslim Melayu-nya basi
palingan doi ngomong kek gitu cuman krn gak terima atas kepergian Maria, sama dgn yg Muslim2 yg ribut di Singapura tempo hari

lagipula kl yg menang dr pihak Aminah, apakah itu berarti Maria akan bahagia ? dlm keadaan dinikahi dlm usia belia ?
Ya bahagia lah, terhindar dari orang2 g jelas yang main paksa sampai tarik2an, histeris ketika berpisah.

Baca lagi diatas, anaknya aja bilang Mamahnya g bahagia  ehmm

In 2014, Singaporean channel Channel NewsAsia, in cooperation with Monsoon Pictures, broadcast a five-part documentary about the tumultuous era of the 1950s and 1960s in Singapore called Days of Rage and it featured the Maria Hertogh riots, including exclusive interviews with Hertogh herself and Kamariah prior to their deaths.[1][2] Hertogh's son and two daughters were interviewed and spoke about witnessing their mother's frosty relationship with their grandmother Adeline and her struggle to come to terms with her painful childhood. Hertogh's son testified that Hertogh was not happy and felt betrayed. The siblings also paid a visit to Kemaman and met several elderly kampung residents who remembered the young Hertogh, then known to them as Nadra.
yg namanya anak masih punya orangtua kandung ya pasti dirawat ama orangtua kandungnya, atw isaku dulunya gak dirawat ama orangtua kandung piss

kalimat dr Wikipedia itu nggak ada rujukannya, sama aja kek pernyataan yg dianggap berasal dr Jomo Kenyatta yg ente sodorin tempo hari

lagian jg kl bener gak bahagia, rasanya aneh, masak tinggal di negara Eropa yg lebih maju ketimbang Indo & Malay gak mau
Punten maaf banget, menjijikan banget deh komentar kamu,

1. Emangnya bahagia diukur dari maju atau tidaknya negara, kamu udah tinggal di eropa sekarang??? Kok bisa2nya kamu berpikir begitu? Otakmu isinya materialistis? kamu pemuja HEDONIS? Jauh dong dari ajaran Yesus yang menolak duniawi?
2. Maria pastinya lebih punya nurani daripada kamu, setiap hari mesti dia melihat ketidakadilan dilakukan kolonial Eropa terhadap pribumi, kesenjangan sosial dan mengalami perbudakan di tanah mereka sendiri. Dia sudah bisa menilai dan memilih apa yang dia inginkan. Dia menerima cinta dari Ibu Melayunya. Kalaupun orangtua kandung Maria ingin ikut mengasuh anaknya harusnya mereka lakukan dengan elegan, tidak dengan memaksa orang berpisah dari keluarganya, tidak dengan memaksa muslimah masuk gereja untuk dibaptis lagi.
3. Lha ngapain ente bawa2 Wiki, tulisan di Wiki sendiri malah ditolak. Pernyataan Wiki tentang kata2 anaknya Maria bahwa mamahnya tidak bahagia selama di Belanda berasal dari "CHANNEL NEWSASIA TO AIR NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT MARIA HERTOGH RIOTS". Monsoon Pictures. 10 January 2014.

@rindu wrote:para pengungsi Timteng aja ngarahkan ke negara2 Barat

THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They’re not happy in Gaza.
They’re not happy in Egypt.
They’re not happy in Libya.
They’re not happy in Morocco.
They’re not happy in Iran.
They’re not happy in Iraq.
They’re not happy in Yemen.
They’re not happy in Afghanistan.
They’re not happy in Pakistan.
They’re not happy in Syria.
They’re not happy in Lebanon.

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They’re happy in Australia.
They’re happy in Canada.
They’re happy in England.
They’re happy in France.
They’re happy in Italy.
They’re happy in Germany.
They’re happy in Sweden.
They’re happy in the USA.
They’re happy in Norway.
They’re happy in Holland.
They’re happy in Denmark.

Basically, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim…and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN! And then—wait for it!—they want to change those countries to be like….THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

Excuse me, but I can’t help wondering….
Mulai ngelantur kamu ya..


Nih saya jawab:


THE CHRISTIAN ARE NOT HAPPY!

They're not happy seeing Muslims happy in Gaza.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Egypt.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Libya.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Morocco.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Iran.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Iraq.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Yemen.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Afghanistan.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Pakistan.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Syria.
They’re not happy seeing Muslims happy in Lebanon.

SO, WHEN ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy see their bombs explode in Gaza.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Egypt.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Libya.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Morocco.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Iran.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Irak.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Yemen.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Afghanistan.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Pakistan.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Syria.
They're happy see their bombs explode in Lebanon.

Basically, they're happy seeing the weapons they sell exploded in every country that is not a Christian ... and unhappy look at other countries happy

THEN THEY ARE ANGRY, WHY?

Many immigrants came to their country from countries that they blow up.

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not their leadership.
Not Themselves.
Not Christians.
Not slavery verse in the bible.
Not genocide verse in the bible.

They Blame the countries they are happy seeing the countries explode. They blame Muslims .
And then- wait for it! --- When Muslims are already happy in their country , they want to change the situation by discriminating against people who are happy.

THEIR HAPPINESS DEPENDS ON MUSLIM UNHAPPINESS.


Excuse me, but I can’t help wondering….

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